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 wgooch |
The comment from Gibbons |
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Posts: 10487 (08/05/04 01:53 PM) |
may not be true.
Gibbons touted Duke's 2002 "super 6" class as the best class of all time. -------------------------- But that Class is 4-1 against the heels and that fantastic class you guys recruited. |
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oebabyblue |
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Posts: 677 (08/05/04 01:53 PM) Banned User |
couldn't you have just PMd this to me?
Does it really need it's own thread? oe |
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irregardless |
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Posts: 57 (08/05/04 04:06 PM) |
It takes both talent, dedication and smart and charismatic coaching. Roy only has the talented players part.
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oebabyblue |
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Posts: 677 (08/05/04 04:17 PM) Banned User |
What team do you coach?
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irregardless |
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Posts: 57 (08/05/04 04:26 PM) |
The same team you do. Roy's record has a huge hole in it, it's called a championship. He's only coached at traditional national power programs with huge budgets. He has no excuse for not being able to make a 4 foot putt after 20 tries.
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rayfelton |
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Posts: 1211 (08/05/04 06:37 PM) All-American |
Oh this is great, now we are back to the no national championship hangup people get on. I guess it means nothing that if Kansas players could make free throws a couple of years ago then Roy would have that championship. I guess if that would have happened then Roy wouldn't have a hole in his coaching ability right?
That just makes no sense whatsoever, Roy is a wonderful coach but people are hung up on this "you must win a championship" argument. A lot of factors go into that, especially in college basketball. He is no less of a coach because he doesn't have one. |
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wgooch |
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Posts: 10487 (08/05/04 11:59 PM) |
My point is everyone keeps touting that class of Felton,
May, McCants etc as this class that was better than Duke's and they are 1-4 against Duke. Roy only coached two of those losses. I wasn't talking about Roy, this time. |
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oebabyblue |
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Posts: 677 (08/06/04 12:34 AM) Banned User |
That class is better than Duke's 2002 class.
To think otherwise is ridiculous. Only Shelden has been a star. Dock, Shav, "Big Mike" & whoever the other two were haven't done a thing. Redick is a dangerous shooter & thats about it. Dan Ewing is 4x the player he is. Duke has gotten the better of Carolina because the program was stronger....not because of the 2002 HS class. Try and see the bigger picture...I can admit why Carolina has been losing to duke....must you also insist on saying that the duke class was better. That is lunacy. Grow up. oe |
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TomAris |
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Posts: 1453 (08/06/04 12:38 AM) All-American |
Quote: Wrong, we will know what the correct answer is, after the next 2 seasons.  So far you got no bone to say your class is better. It's a team sport and the objective is for your team to win games. |
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MarinBDP |
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Posts: 6193 (08/06/04 12:48 AM) Administrator |
Quote: The jury is still out on that, Oe. But, thus far, the edge has to go to Duke's class. Duke's class is the foundation of a program that has won an ACC regular season title, an ACC Tournament title, & a Final Four berth. UNC has been a middle-of-the-pack ACC team that has won nothing with that 2002 class as it's foundation. Both 6-man classes have had 4 big contributors & 2 non-contributors. What happens the next 2 years will decide this debate. But, for now, the Duke 2002 class gets the edge because of team accomplishments. |
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jimsumner |
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Posts: 1051 (08/06/04 12:51 AM) Premium Member |
"Only Shelden has been a star. Dock, Shav, "Big Mike" & whoever the other two were haven't done a thing."
So the leading scorer on a Final Four team and the sixth-place vote-receiver for the All-ACC team has been reduced to a "whoever?" |
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wgooch |
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Posts: 10487 (08/06/04 01:21 AM) |
but you would be more than happy if Bobby Frasor has
half the career JJ Redick has had so far. The numbers don't lie Oe. |
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Va Dukie |
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Posts: 3589 (08/06/04 01:41 AM) Sixth Man/Premium Member |
oe, looks like, once again you've been called out.
In your own words, "if you can't come to the board informed, don't come at all". |
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rayfelton |
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Posts: 1211 (08/06/04 03:31 AM) All-American |
I agree with OE.
Sure, Duke has had better teams than UNC has had for the last couple of years but why does that make their class better? If you are talking about classes then you are saying which class had the better players. I think when you get right down to it, UNC's Felton, McCants, and May are better than Williams, Redick, and Randolph. Now Duke's players had more around them when they came in to the program, (mainly in terms of veteran leadership) and that is why their record is better. If you would put Felton, McCants, and May on Duke instead of the three Duke players then I would guarantee you that the record would be the same if not better. Those numbers are very misleading. |
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Posts: 186 (08/06/04 03:34 AM) On Scholarship |
super 6 has been a super bust...4/6 havent done anything in college. The other 2 are good, but that isnt a good percentage
My tennis game has improved. I dont know, it just feels like im always aceing, the guy.
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jaywork |
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Posts: 215 (08/06/04 03:37 AM) Premium Member |
Why can't we all just agree that we both have fine players and coaches and quit being so immature.. May , Felton ,and Mccants are very good players but so are jj ,Shel and Daniel, so lets just leave it at that
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chkelly |
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Posts: 186 (08/06/04 03:41 AM) On Scholarship |
i dont want to stick up for unc, but that recruiting class has been THE WHOLE TEAM for the past 2 years. Duke has had dahntay for a year and duhon for 2 years and they were dukes best players by far the last two years.
The unc class has had to carry the team with no other stars. And Jawab is a complementary player at best My tennis game has improved. I dont know, it just feels like im always aceing, the guy.
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Posts: 1775 (08/06/04 04:03 AM) Premium Member/All-American |
You can only judge a class by what they accomplished during their careers, primarily as a team. Duke's 2002 class has ACC titles & a final four to their credit. UNC's 2002 class has accomplished nothing, to date. UNC may eventually have some titles on their shelf, but at this point they have some catching up to do.
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rayfelton |
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Posts: 1211 (08/06/04 04:09 AM) All-American |
You have to admit though the situations are entirely different.
You want to judge which class is better then go and look at the stats for each player over the course of their first 2 years and then that will tell you who had the better class. Duke has had the better team, we aren't disputing that but their class has not been better. |
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wgooch |
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Posts: 10487 (08/06/04 04:16 AM) |
of which you say is true has carried unc for the last two
years they are 38- 29 if my numbers are correct. You unc fans are unbelievable, five years from now you'll be telling us the 03 and 04 unc teams were better than Duke's during that period. |
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padevilfan |
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Posts: 1235 (08/06/04 04:16 AM) Premium Member |
So your saying individual statistics say more than wins and loses? |
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